Saiyan Island

@sajin0084.deviantart.com:

HAHAHAHA Rammstein is BIZARRE COREY WILSON.

I`m not that extreme. I just think the way that the movie is taken is wrong. Com`on, too bad decisions, and the film is too bad managed, it releases on 6 months and it haven`t official website yet.

@DPA: official website will be up next month with trailer most likely.

I will see max payne for the trailer unless they get on the web before then. I like what Marsters said about Dragonball. I think he is gonna rock Piccolo, and hopefully he gets greener with youth. The flying is gonna be mad tight. It seems we have gotten alot of news lately. Good job guys.

-Jadix The Fearless

mmmm, Normally a movie website announces the date of the trailer xD

@nelson18: Thanks for the shout out man.
@Rammstein: It’s funny how you really seem to think that you know EVERYTHING.

@DPA:
Fox releases trailers and site at the same time. All the officail site will be is the trailer and some pictures and a little info. However they may make a full blown website for dragonball, but usualy they only have official websites to show the trailer. And we know fox is bringing out the trailer oct 17 so the official website will probaly go up at the begining of that week.

@dj: “well here is a review of the dreaded Dragonball the magic beings”

Oh boy.

Ok, let’s try again. Repeat after me:

- SAYING THAT THE DRAGON BALL STORY AS IT IS WOULD FAIL IS A FALLACY, BECAUSE IT HAS GAINED MULTITUDES OF FANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD LONG BEFORE ANY AMERICAN TOUCHED IT.

Come on, give it a try.

- SAYING THAT THE DRAGON BALL STORY AS IT IS WOULD FAIL IS A FALLACY, BECAUSE IT HAS GAINED MULTITUDES OF FANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD LONG BEFORE ANY AMERICAN TOUCHED IT.

Difficult. Once more:

- SAYING THAT THE DRAGON BALL STORY AS IT IS WOULD FAIL IS A FALLACY, BECAUSE IT HAS GAINED MULTITUDES OF FANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD LONG BEFORE ANY AMERICAN TOUCHED IT.

Ok. Is it understood? Keep repeating that until your little brain can grasp the idea that there was success before Fox touched it with its “Midas touch with inverse polarity” that turns gold into shit.

@dragonsoul2: “It’s funny how you really seem to think that you know EVERYTHING.”

I know more than the rape victims that come to this website. More than you, as a matter of fact.

@sajin0084.deviantart.com: “And I dont have anything agaisnt you iethr…unless you really are rammerstein!”

Just because I argue WITH BLOOD. You won’t just read and maybe understand these words, you will FEEL THEM right up YOUR ASS. Every sentence will be the most absolute of all truths, words forged by the spirit of a true Dragon Ball fan and HARD, they will be very HARD.

Yes, cry now. Most people dislike it, but that are exceptions like Corey Wilson. He loves Hanna Montana and being somomized by random strangers on internet forums. The guy is a case for a shrink.

Look, Adam, the terms used in this message are necessary for the understading of it. Without them the meaning of the gravity of the situation is lost.

@Rammstein:
Dragonball would not do well based on the fanbase alone
movies that have proved this:
Final fantasy the spirits within(probaly a fan base around the same size almost as dragonball in america)
dead or allive
Hulk
superman the latest one
Mortal Combat

and what are you doing back here dont make me flame you till theres nothing but a charred twig on the floor.

@sajin0084.deviantart.com:

Well, but We have seen a lot of pics, and the posters (except that with Goku on orange gi) are very low quality.

(I hope this doesn’t end up too long…)

Wow, all this arguing over a few minor things.

“After being sealed away for eons, the evil Piccolo has been released, and seeks to use the power of the DragonBalls to restore his youth and power so that he can exact revenge and conquer the world. It’s up to Son Goku, the amazingly powerful young martial artist trained under the legendary Master Roshi, to put a stop to the demon king’s plans.”

That is an accurate summary for both the original manga AND this movie. The movie is mostly based on the Piccolo Daimao saga. Now let’s take a look at what the movie is changing, and why. Character designs, save for the obvious ones, will NOT be included, since it’s always necessary to tweak things to look good on real people without just looking like cosplay. It happens with EVERY comic-book adaptation movie, and DragonBall isn’t any different or going to receive any special treatment just because “WE like it.” I, frankly, would HATE to see a lot of the stuff that’s in the manga super-faithfully put into live-action. Most of it would just be too ridiculous.

Pros:
- Goku is a teenager rather than a child (although, he was actually 15 when he took out Daimao). Child actors in lead roles are a big no-no. Do we want a repeat of Star Wars Episode I, with little Anakin? Would some kid actor trying to portray a young Goku be able to do a good job? Probably not.

- Piccolo and Goku’s origins. Piccolo is apparently aware of his Namekian origins, and fills Goku in on his Saiyan background. This is a good thing for several reasons. One, the whole “conquering is in your blood” thing opens up opportunities for some GREAT hero/villain drama. Two, it gets that plot point down early on, eliminating need for miniscule characters like Raditz later.

- Piccolo is responsible for Gohan’s death. This is another great way to build tension and motivation between the hero and villain, and is a hell of a lot more dramatic than having Goku step on him. Gohan is being put in an Uncle Ben-like role here, being the wise old man who raises the hero, and his death marks a turning point in the young man’s life. The role also mirrors the one Kuririn served in the series. Whether or not the writers have any plans for Kuririn later on has yet to be seen, but let’s not look a gift horse in the mouth. Grandpa Gohan’s fate in this movie is gonna set the whole thing in motion, letting the old man serve a much bigger role than he did in the series.

- Working in the Pilaf-era stuff. Assuming they want to sum up DragonBall in one movie so they can move on to more sci-fi oriented Z stuff, Piccolo is the best choice for a villain and a story to center around. Of course, they need to work the REALLY early stuff in there in some way, too, to establish the characters. So what do we do? We have everyone there in pretty much the same way, but they end up with a different end goal, and with Piccolo and his ambitions replacing Pilaf and his own. Bulma still comes into the picture in much the same way, seeking the DragonBalls for her own reasons. But they end up having to contend with Lord Piccolo for them, rather than Pilaf. We don’t really know much of what’s up with Yamcha, save for that he starts out as an antagonist, but ends up teaming up with Goku and company against Piccolo. Like he did in the series, against Pilaf.

- Piccolo’s origins. My gut is telling me that in a nutshell, they’ve combined Kami and both Piccolos into one character. I would imagine that Piccolo was the original Namekian to come to Earth. He ends up being corrupted, confused, disappointed in and hateful of humanity, and tries to conquer Earth. He gets sealed away for 2000 years, which he spends growing old and spiteful. When released, he seeks “his” DragonBalls, so that he can regain his youth and power, and finish what he started. After his defeat, Goku spares his life, confusing the now-young Piccolo, and setting him on the road to redemption.

The biggest and best thing this does is keep things uncomplicated. WE know by heart and can deal with the whole long, intricate sequence of arrival, corruption, splitting, rebirth, etc. between Kami and Piccolo just fine. We’re dedicated fans who have a lot more time on our hands to learn how it all went down. The other 95% of the audience, however, can’t really be expected to have that all shoved down their throats and care, nor does a 2-hour-long movie really have the ability to explain it all effectively. One villain, serving the combined role of all three of his incarnations, and ending up the same way Piccolo Jr did, is more than satisfactory for the movie’s story.

- The “Eclipse” story element. Wow, this one is… interesting, I believe. I don’t think we’ve really gotten the full story of what’s going on with this. Odds are, it has something to do with the DragonBalls’ use, and POSSIBLY this rumored/likely version of Ozaru. On that note, assuming we’re getting it, Ozaru is probably better off modified for realism. The last time we have a gigantic gorilla in a movie (the recent King Kong), it didn’t go over too well. Portraying it as an 8-foot weremonkey, sort of like a “hairy Hulk,” is a nice, more believable alternative.

Cons:

- The school. Ugh, dear god, the school. If there’s anything I wish FOX wouldn’t have done, it’s include a school element.

Not because I think it will hurt the story, but because I’m sick and tired of hearing all you whiny little bitches complain about it non-stop.

That’s not to say I don’t think it’s a bad thing. In and of itself, it’s not, but yeah, Goku going there at all wasn’t really necessary. Not FATAL, but still not necessary. I think it will still serve a purpose though. I imagine attending school might be Goku’s first time there, or even in a city. Does anyone remember that chapter or two of the manga, where Goku’s in the West Capitol? It’s his first time in a city, he’s looking for Capsule Corp, and he has no clue what the hell he’s doing or how things work. He’s completely clueless as to etiquette, traffic, etc… Now replace Capsule Corp with a school. Gohan’s been teaching Goku basic stuff along with his training, but it’s gotten to the point where he thinks Goku should get some normal schooling, too. So he signs Goku up and sends him off. Goku is a complete fish-out-of-water, what with his naivete, social awkwardness, and general ignorance of how things work.

So the idea of Goku being in a school is kind of a drag. BUT it doesn’t mean his character will suffer. In fact, it will more likely serve to show just HOW different from everyone else he is. We’ll have to wait and see.

- “Baaaawwwww, Piccolo’s not green!” Egh. Over-reaction much? However, this is, so far, the only real “problem” with any one character design.

James Marsters has graciously informed us that Piccolo seeks to, and succeeds in, making a wish to restore his youth, and that there’s a drastic transformation that comes along with it. This, to me, points to his green-ness coming back. He’s been sealed in a jar for 2000 years, and I imagine YOU’D end up pasty and white from that, too, whether your skin was pink or green or purple or polka-dotted or whatever. Odds are, Old Lord Piccolo has been made white on purpose, so that his youthful state later will look all the more unique and different.

Otherwise, Piccolo’s just fine. He’s got the same pointed ears. He’s got antennae, which in the picture we’ve seen him in, appear to be retracted against his head. He’s got the same kind of vampiric, alien-like teeth and facial structure. His “battle armor” over his torso is designed to mimic the striped, swirly skin patches. Down below, he’s wearing baggy martial arts pants and boots. All very cool-looking and “Piccolo-ish.” Even if the green returning doesn’t come to fruition, they’ve gotten enough else “right” to make up for it, as far as I’m concerned.

@Rammstein: Nah. You don’t know shit.

In other news, HEROES IS BACK! Sorry just had to share my excitement.

@Rammstein:

Hey buddy, it’s called “tact.” Take your time to calmly explain the whats and whys of your argument, and THEN maybe people will listen.

I’m still waiting to hear something about Krillin. ;_;

But yey! Flying! I’ve been looking forward to that. xD

James Marsters just totally rocks.

FOr those of you that are clueless, In this movie, piccolo doeas not kill Gohan, goku does, he just does not know it and thinks that it was piccolo. LAter in the movie after all the ozaroo stuff is explained, piccolo wil reveal to goku that the one that killed piccolo was goku himself. OOzaru must be in there for a reason.

Thsi has the following purpuse: movie goears will think that goku’s origin is all cliche, so when that is revealed, it will be considered an unexpected plot twist.

I do not have proof of this, but think about it. It is an interesting assumption.

Now for some sad news. Master mutaito, as we know him, will not appear in the movie. MAster mutaito died way before DB started, yet we can see in the recent pictures (The one with the monks forming a circle around a table) in the bottom of that pic you can see master roshi with his hawaian shirt clothes. you can only see his hands. So it ernie hudson is mutaito, it is a new version of him, they may have chaged the name to.

But who cares….. I do not.

@someone

I meant “will reveal to goku that the one that killed Gohan was goku himself.”

@Kaboom: Very nice job man. Very clear points supported with logic. You’re not just viewing it from a fan standpoint, but also from the filmmakers’ and non-fans perspective, and that’s how everyone should view it. It reminds me of something I typed up a while back. Click my name to check it out.

sorry, it should’ve taken you here. Click the name on this one.

People@Kaboom: Well here’s the thing, he has explained his reasons behind the stuff he says, just none of it makes any sense. Complaining about stupid stuff like Goku’s eye color. Nonsense.

thank you james…you are a god

please somebody tell me when they will realease the trailer?
trailer trailer trailer trailer trailer
and http://armando254.skyrock.com/

Kaboom thank you Someone is actually functioning on my level

@sajin0084.deviantart.com: “Final fantasy the spirits within(probaly a fan base around the same size almost as dragonball in america)”

Are you fucking kidding? Final Fantasy had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME! The fan base hated it because it was completely different.

@Kaboom: “It happens with EVERY comic-book adaptation movie, and DragonBall isn’t any different ”

That’s a problem I already have identified long ago. Dragon Ball is not a comic-book. That’s the source of confusion.

While comic-books scenarios are real world cities, like New York for Spider-Man, or fake ones pretending to be real, like Metropolis for Superman, Dragon Ball doesn’t attempt to use anything real as the scenario.

Therefore the assumption that things must “look” real is false. Dragon Ball is completely different Universe.

“Do we want a repeat of Star Wars Episode I, with little Anakin? Would some kid actor trying to portray a young Goku be able to do a good job? Probably not.”

Probably yes, because that’s Dragon Ball. If it is anything different than it is not Dragon Ball. Star Wars I sucked because the story sucked, not the actor. As a matter of fact the boy that did Anakin was more masculine and had a better presence than Hayden in the later movies.

“One, the whole “conquering is in your blood” thing opens up opportunities for some GREAT hero/villain drama”

No, it doesn’t. This is what I mean when I say they “CHANGED EVERYTHING”. They changed the whole story. By changing origins you change the whole character world view and behavior. They give justification to things that the characters wouldn`t do in the manga.

For example, how can Goku fight by the side of Piccolo against the Sayians if he knows he killed his Grandpa? Or why would Piccolo join forces with Goku if he knows that Goku is a Sayian and later he might join the other Sayians?

“Piccolo is responsible for Gohan’s death. This is another great way to build tension and motivation between the hero and villain, and is a hell of a lot more dramatic than having Goku step on him.”

No, it is not. It creates a bond beween the characters that shouldn’t be there.

“The other 95% of the audience, however, can’t really be expected to have that all shoved down their throats and care, nor does a 2-hour-long movie really have the ability to explain it all effectively.”

Ok, repeat after me:

- SAYING THAT THE DRAGON BALL STORY AS IT IS WOULD FAIL IS A FALLACY, BECAUSE IT HAS GAINED MULTITUDES OF FANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD LONG BEFORE ANY AMERICAN TOUCHED IT.

Dude, Dragon Ball is a success already. There’s nothing Fox can do to improve it. And the biggest fail in this movie is to try to portray it “realistically”, when in fact the Dragon Ball Universe is full of magic and fantasy. The same way they did with LOTR, it’s what they should do with Dragon Ball.

LOTR was a lot bigger than what they showed in the screen. They removed certain parts and changed minor details. But the story is exactly the same, and so are the heroes and villains. See? It has been done before!

“Portraying it as an 8-foot weremonkey, sort of like a “hairy Hulk,” is a nice, more believable alternative”

You missed the point, it should not be believable. Are elves, orcs and mages from LOTR believable? Or wookies and jedis from Star Wars believable? Dragon Ball is about fantasy and magic.

“Not because I think it will hurt the story, but because I’m sick and tired of hearing all you whiny little bitches complain about it non-stop.”

Highscholl is the biggest American cliche ever. They reduced an epic story to a generic teenager Bullshit. It sucks and hurts the story, since Goku was never smart in the manga.

” I imagine YOU’D end up pasty and white from that, too, whether your skin was pink or green or purple or polka-dotted or whatever”

If you send a black guy to Alaska, will he become white? Besides, how can any assumptions be made about the skin color behavior of an Alien race? Fox screwed it up.

@Rammstein:

Well, every Final Fantasy game has had different characters, settings, and stories. It’s not like they had any ONE story they had to stick to in order to define it as “a Final Fantasy movie.”

@Kaboom: “Hey buddy, it’s called “tact.” Take your time to calmly explain the whats and whys of your argument, and THEN maybe people will listen.”

I have done it many times over already over the last weeks. Then people like you come, ignore everything I have written and start from the beginning as if you knew shit from Dragon Ball.

And then I have to rewrite the entire argument all over again. Evereyone that did it before you lost the argument, because what I say is true.

@Kaboom: “Well, every Final Fantasy game has had different characters, settings, and stories. It’s not like they had any ONE story they had to stick to in order to define it as “a Final Fantasy movie.”

Final Fantasy movie wasn’t based on any game. The fans wanted to see Sephiroth, Cloud and Tifa, and the Final Fantasy movie was about thugs speaking about the spirit of the planet.

Yes, you must be kidding. Final Fantasy was done for “other audiences”, not fans. You may notice that they don’t even use many of the famous FF stuff from the games, like Materia, enemies and other stuff.

And there is the result, a failure.

Piccolo will be green at the end of the movie. That will be the big suprise at the end. The part of the movie everyone will cheer.

@Rammstein:
You’re choosing to remain stuck in your little comfort zone, totally repulsed by anything new or different being done to your series, and ignoring any attempt at explaining or justifying it. You could treat this movie like an adult, deal with the changes and accept it for what it is, or you can continue doing what you’re doing, and cry about it and act as if Fox is completely destroying it.

Which they’re not. They’re giving us a largely faithful version of the story, adjusting things as they see fit to end up with a better film. A lot of the stuff in DragonBall that works just fine in cartoon form wouldn’t in live-action, and that’s where it differs from things like Lord of the Rings, which was originally a book, and open to a lot of interpretation in terms of how things looked.

“Dragon Ball is not a comic-book. That’s the source of confusion.”

DragonBall is EVERY bit as much a “comic book” as anything else. We only call it a “manga” instead because it comes from Japan.

“Probably yes, because that’s Dragon Ball.”

And that’s your and a lot of other people’s problem. You have a set idea of what “IS” DragonBall, and are unwilling to deviate from it for anything, even if the end result would flat-out SUCK. A movie literally translated in detail from the manga would be HORRIBLE.

The costumes and character designs would look like cheap cosplay. The bright, colorful, goofy shit like Kinto’Un and animal-people and Pilaf and Kuririn and all that would be off-putting to adults, but kids wouldn’t get anything out of the complex story. Children and adults alike would be left scratching their heads in concern to the Journey to the West-inspired background. The movie would end up with a cartoony, kids’-movie-like atmosphere, but the high level of graphic violence, especially during the Piccolo Daimao saga, wouldn’t let it be rated as such.

It’d be a badly-received, confusing, mixed-up misfit of a movie that ONLY hardcore DragonBall fans would even WANT to see or have any chance of enjoying. But HEY! It’s ACCURATE, and that’s all that matters, right?

“No, it doesn’t.”

Yes. It does. It’s a great idea for a plot twist, and, like I said, builds drama between the hero and villain, which is just about always necessary for the audience to care. Why do you think the dynamic between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin works so well in the comics AND in the first movie? Because the two characters have some closer connection than just “Hero vs Villain.” They each know who the other is under the masks, and there’s underlying, more personal clashes because of it. So they give Piccolo and Goku a similar connection, one which is perfectly tuned and appropriate to their personalities. Who cares if he didn’t do that in the manga? Oh, right. YOU care. That changes *everything.*

“For example, how can Goku fight by the side of Piccolo against the Sayians if he knows he killed his Grandpa?”

The same way he fought alongside Piccolo even though he knew he killed Kuririn, ALMOST killed him, and STILL wants to kill him.

“Or why would Piccolo join forces with Goku if he knows that Goku is a Sayian and later he might join the other Sayians?”

Because having had his life spared, Piccolo realizes how Goku is drastically different from not only humans, but even other Saiyans. Helping fight them, and training and caring for Goku’s son, is a way for Piccolo to atone for his past sins.

“Ok, repeat after me:”

No. You’re doing a fine job of that yourself.

“Dude, Dragon Ball is a success already. There’s nothing Fox can do to improve it.”

That’s true. Which is why I’d be pissed if they went back and tried to make changes to or revamp the manga itself. But they’re not. They’re taking the stories and characters from the manga, and making a NEW story based upon them.

“LOTR was a lot bigger than what they showed in the screen. They removed certain parts and changed minor details. But the story is exactly the same, and so are the heroes and villains. See? It has been done before!”

Lord of the Rings was already a relatively short, contained story on its own, and as a bonus, was already compiled into three parts, perfect to make into a movie trilogy. DragonBall needs a lot more work and condensing to be turned into a good movie, plot-wise.

“You missed the point, it should not be believable. Are elves, orcs and mages from LOTR believable? Or wookies and jedis from Star Wars believable? Dragon Ball is about fantasy and magic.”

And for the reasons I’ve already explained above, it needs more “realism” to strike a good balance between a kids’ and adults’ movie. Lord of the Rings was fantastical, for sure, but in a manner that was already largely for adults, what with the very dark tone, and the large-scale, bloody battles. DragonBall is, let’s face it, a kids’ series that we’re still fawning over as (mostly) adults. They could translate it directly, tone down the violence a bit, release it as a G- or PG-rated kids’ movie, and we could go see it amidst a swarm of 10-year-olds. Or they could do what they’re doing, and tweak the style and atmosphere a bit to make it appeal to adults a bit more.

“Highscholl is the biggest American cliche ever. They reduced an epic story to a generic teenager Bullshit. It sucks and hurts the story, since Goku was never smart in the manga.”

Now I *know* you’re not really reading anything I’ve posted. I said I don’t really like the high school angle either, but it does not mean it will damage Goku’s character. Read my reasons below the part you quoted.

And that’s a very common misconception. Goku’s plenty “smart.” He’s not a mechanical genius like Bulma, or overall booksmart like Gohan becomes, but he’s more than capable of using his head in a fight and much else. Early in the story, he was just naive, and didn’t know a lot about how the world works. By the time he was an older teenager, and later an adult, he was quite capable of knowing his way around things.

“If you send a black guy to Alaska, will he become white?”

No. But, like I said, if you lock someone away in the dark for a long, long time, they will end up pasty from a lack of sun exposure. Look up how melanin works and affects skin color. Who knows how badly or differently it might affect Namekian skin.

@Rammstein:

We, and I know I, know plenty about DragonBall, and I’m not going to enter some childish dick-swinging contest with you on that. Only difference between you and me, is one of us is willing to expand his horizons and embrace something new, rather than stubbornly clinging to the old and snapping at anyone who tries to do something fresh and creative with it.

@Rammstein:

Have you played any other FF games besides number 7? Aside from a few minor details, they’re all different, with everything from the plots, the characters, the settings, the methods of magic, the enemies, etc… They all vary from game to game, so there’s no one, single Final Fantasy story anyone could say they SHOULD base a movie off of. So they made a new one. They didn’t like it, so eventually they gave people what they wanted; Cloud and company.

ok, i admit it. the fan in me is excited with this interview and a little hope is restored to me once more… nothing negative, just all about the kame hame ha.

for now… that trailer better be the holy grail of commercials!!!

@Kaboom: “You’re choosing to remain stuck in your little comfort zone, totally repulsed by anything new or different …”

“DragonBall is EVERY bit as much a “comic book” as anything else. We only call it a “manga” instead because it comes from Japan”

No, it is not. There’s a fundamental difference between American comic books and certain mangas such as Dragon Ball. The American ones attempt to portray reality, at least the scenarios and stories are closer to real cities and real science. For example, Spider-Man lives in New York.

They usually refer real places and real historical occurrences. In Dragon Ball everything is made up. This is why making it “real” kills what Dragon Ball is about.

I compared it to LOTR because of the same reason. LOTR is completely made up, made up places, made up story, etc.

“And that’s your and a lot of other people’s problem. You have a set idea of what “IS” DragonBall, and are unwilling to deviate from it for anything, ”

If it doesn’t follow the manga or the anime then it is not Dragon Ball. It’s a matter of logic, not opinion.

” It’s a great idea for a plot twist, and, like I said, builds drama between the hero and villain, which is just about always necessary for the audience to care. ”

And that’s the problem. They reduced something epic to something much smaller. Something like a teenager cliche. Imagine if they made Sauron and Frodo hate each other for the audience to care. Would it be good?

LOTR was epic, because they didn’t try to make the story smaller to make it fit in a movie. Many different parts were ommited from the movie for obvious reasons, but the story is the same.

“They each know who the other is under the masks, and there’s underlying, more personal clashes because of it.”

And that makes it dumber. Like a wrestling show, with both “fighters” calling each other names and pretending to hate each other for whatever silly reason. Fox DUMBED DOWN Dragon Ball.

This also shows some disrespect towards the average movie goer. They dumbed everything down assuming the “audience” is composed by Homer Simpsons that will dislike anything that doesn’t fit in the know cliches about movies. They very carefully removed anything that could be considered “different” under that assumption.

In the process they transformed Dragon Ball into something generic.

“Goku’s plenty “smart.” ”

He is not smart. The only thing he is good at is fighting. He doesn’t even have a job!

“Who knows how badly or differently it might affect Namekian skin.”

Exactly! Making Piccolo white was completely unnecessary and retarded. They screwed it up. If it was green, but old looking, then it would be great.

@Kaboom: “rather than stubbornly clinging to the old and snapping at anyone who tries to do something fresh and creative with it.”

News for ya! The “old” Dragon Ball is a worldwide success and it has proven itself to appeal wildly different audiences with completely different cultural backgrounds and beliefs.

On the other hand, the “new” Dragonball is an American ghetto, limiting the story to what is “common” to Americans. Like highschool and other cliches.

“Have you played any other FF games besides number 7?”

Yes, and the games are a lot for fantastical than the crappy Final fantasy Spirits Within. What they did to Final Fantasy is what they are trying to do to Dragonball, they tried to make it real and believable.

“They didn’t like it, so eventually they gave people what they wanted; Cloud and company.”

That’s what the fans wanted since the beginning. Even if they chose to use another story, the epicness should be there. The problem with the FF movie is that it sucked if compared to *ANY* Final Fantasy game.

Definitely not a movie for the fans.

theres some guy on IMDB saying hes seen the movie,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1098327/board/thread/118474954

i think hes full of it…answered some questions

adam do you know if the movies only 93 minutes? if so thats brutal……..it almost implies tghe movie wont be amazing, i mean think of a good epic thats 2 hours+, i hope the sequels are longer

i dont want this toi be like eragon…

“No, it is not. There’s a fundamental difference between American comic books and certain mangas such as Dragon Ball. The American ones attempt to portray reality, at least the scenarios and stories are closer to real cities and real science. For example, Spider-Man lives in New York.”

-This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. How in the hell do you know? Did you read EVERY SINGLE American comic book ever made? How can you say beyond a shadow of a doubt what all American comic books try to portray? You keep throwing out the same freakin examples like Superman, Spiderman, and Batman. There are other comics out there than just those. There are American made comics that aren’t supposed to be reality based at all. Companies that are smaller and not as well known as DC and Marvel actually make a lot of them.

Sorry to interrupt Kaboom, but Rammstein and I have been going at it for a while now and really makes me sick to see that he’s still sticking to his narrow minded, tunnel vision view of everything. It’s pretty pointless to discuss anything with him, but he’ll still be at the theater on opening night though.

@heason:

Mmmm..I don´t believe him ..so much xD

93 min ???
I don´t like that.

@dragonsoul2: “This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. How in the hell do you know? Did you read EVERY SINGLE American comic book ever made?”

At least the ones that made to the movies try to portray “reality”. It’s the real world with some fantastic stuff in it. Even Hellboy is like that. The story of Hellboy is firmly rooted in world history, the fantasy part is just the Hellboy and justification for the stories and enemies.

Plus it´s IMDB ¬¬
C´mon xD

@heason: “theres some guy on IMDB saying hes seen the movie,”

I don’t buy it. He is either lying or not, but if he is not lying then he has vested interests in the success of this movie, and obviously he wouldn’t say anything bad about it.

i think hes lying

“It’s the real world with some fantastic stuff in it.”

-Sounds a lot like Dragonball to me. You’re saying that Dragonball isn’t like these American made comics that are based in “reality” but you just gave the perfect example of why it is.

Hellboy- A child that was sent/brought to Earth for the purpose of destroying it but actually ends up being it’s greatest champion.

Dragonball- A child that was sent/brought to Earth for the purpose of destroying it but actually ends up being it’s greatest champion.

So thanks for contradicting yourself on that one.

@dragonsoul2: “So thanks for contradicting yourself on that one.”"

Nonsense.

actually i think she might be tellin the truth reread the thread there some new stuff, heres everythin she s said

So I got a chance to see one of the first preview screenings of the new Dragonball movie. Obviously skeptical and slightly worried how my childhood favourites would be portrayed on the silver screen, I was delightfully surprised to find out that it wasn’t as bad as I expected. So heres my opinions:

- Some of the actors were slightly miscast, Yun-Fat Chow as Master Roshi was always going to be a bad idea. His perverted-ness is completely erased and frankly he feels like a modern Mister Miyagi. That said a few of the actors fit their roles perfectly, Emmy Rossum, James Marsters & Jamie Chung were awesome. I am still stuck for an opinion on Chatwin considering he portrays Goku in a different way from what I came to expect. I’ll get back to you on him.

- The special effects are amazing. Thats all that needs to be said about them really. Absolutely spectacular. They are not photo-realistic, but then again they were never supposed to be. I won’t spoil to much though!

- The script is flawed and at times feels very rushed but it fits I suppose. Ben Ramsey did a more than good job but as a true Dragonball fan I am never going to be completely satisfied. Characters such as Krillin could have easily been included and would have fit right at home within James Wong’s Dragonball and to be honest, I don’t know why they were omitted.

The movie will possibly garner lukewarm reviews upon release but a casual Dragonball fan will enjoy it’s fun, lively take on the mythos. I for one recommend it & I can’t wait to see it again when it’s released next year!!

1. Hows the fighting

Spectacular at times. Other times it is fairly obvious that the fighters arn’t the Hollywood actors. Everything is done well, energy balls fly in all directions and surroundings are destroyed. Whats to be expected though, this is Dragonball?!

2. How green actually is Piccolo

Piccolo at the beginning, as his older-self is more pink than green. He changes about half an hour towards the end to his usual green. He looks very different from the cartoon in appearance. He lacks the usual white turban and purple jumpsuit. Plus his antenna are missing. This is beyond the point though because Marsters IS Piccolo, and the fact he plays the character so well means that his appearance really doesn’t matter.

3. Does he transform.

I think I pretty much answered this one.

4. How many fights are there

It depends how you refer to fights. There are lots on confrontations within the film but there are around four big fights in total. Two of which happen towards the end.

5. Whats the Oozaru look like

Oozaru is a beast in this film. Typically because of this been Hollywood he doesn’t kill Grandpa Gohan like in the original Dragonball series. That said, he does make Bulma crap her pants.

6. How long was it

93 Minutes Approx.

7. What rating will it be

Chances are a PG-13. The MPAA hasn’t rated it yet though. Note the fact I was at the FIRST preview screening.

8. Anything after the credits

Yes, only something tiny though. Goku flies off into the sunset.

9. Hows shrenron look

I don’t know how you expect me to describe these things but; alot of the time he is glazed out by bright orange light, his face anyway. It is possibly one of the only designs that stays almost complete true to it’s anime form.

10. Whats the Goku vs Piccolo fight like

I’ve pretty much already described the fighting.

That 93 mins including credits?

No, it is not including credits.

How longs the school part of it.

The school part is towards the beginning and isn’t exactly a main plot point. I’m guessing it was just to show Goku as a normal young boy.

What are the 4 big fights.

Two fights between Goku & Piccolo. One ends in Piccolo’s favour the other in Goku’s. A fight between Goku and Yamcha and the earliest one, a fight between Goku and Master Roshi, this is when Goku first arrives at Roshi’s and the old man has no idea who he is.

The leaked Piccolo pictures we got is that the Young or Old Piccolo

The leaked pictures are of old Piccolo (obviously).

What’s the dialogue like? Any cheesy one-liners?

The dialogue was actually rather witty in a sense. There are some clever lines and Goku, although supposedly an educated teenager, still acts like the uneducated child he was in the original Dragonball series, maybe not as obviously though.

What’s the highschool scenes like? Is he the cliched geeky student who discovers he has super powers?

No, he doesn’t discover he has the powers because Grandpa Gohan has already trained him slightly. The High School scenes oly feature Goku as almost a freakshow. Forced to fight a bully, demonstrating his power by lifting objects etc. Everyone knows of his power and in the highschool scenes he isn’t afraid to show it.

Thanks to those who actually believe. Oh and I’m female by the way, for the person who keeps referring to me as ‘guy.’

Are the fights like the Matrix?

There are some bullet time style sequences but alot of it is very similar to the series, fast paced, then slow bits in the middle which usually revolve around a character saying something.

How green actually is he like Pale green, dark green?

He is pale green.

Is it funny?

There are funny parts. The idea of Goku and Chichi had some of the audience giggling. Goku is oblivious to the fact that Chichi clearly fancies him, lots of distractions & confusion ensues.

Will fans enjoy it?

It depends what the fans are expecting. If the fans are expecting a perfect transition from the anime into Hollywood, then no, chances are they won’t like it. If they watch the film with an open mind and see that the actors, although sometimes don’t look like the Dragonball characters, they play them very well.

Do you think itll be a big film?

With todays Box Office stature it is hard to tell. As I said earlier, chances are it will be met with lukewarm reviews but it is an enjoyable romp.

What special moves from the show appears?

Obviously Goku’s signiture, the Kamihamiha wave appears, along with Piccolo’s Special Beam Cannon, and Destructive Wave. Yamcha uses his Wolf Fang Fist and Bulma uses a gun!

Is the Oozaru a tall ape like beast?

It’s not as huge as it was in the anime. It is almost werewolf in appearance but easily towers over characters such as Piccolo.

@Rammstein:

Nonsense.

i think that pretty much proves it

probalbly not actually but its possible

I want to believe her xD

Rammstein you have to understand that Dragonball is mixture of fantasy and reality. This means that it’s a mixture of things that CAN happen and things that CANNOT happen. Lets start off with the things that CANNOT happen like Dragonballs being able to grant almost any wish. Anther thing that MAYBE cannot happen is talking animals{which probably the only way for that to happen is for scientist to make genetic crossbryds between humans and animals, but for the sake of the debate we’ll forget that for now}. Now I’ll bring up the things that CAN happen like futuristic flying cars{Scientist has already engeneered a FLYING CAR that flew, but they are still improving the design of the car, if we already have airplanes why not flying cars in the future, JUDGE DRED}. Another thing that CAN happen is Andriods being made{Which in japan the first Andriod ever fully costructed had the ability to communicate by speaking, had the ability to function pretty like humans, and it even had EMOTIONS, just watch I ROBOT}. Another thing that CAN happen is Dinosaurs existing in our future{which scientist are now taking about CLONING Dinosaurs for future experiments, just watch JURASIC PARK}. Now you get my point DRAGONBALL is not LORD OF THE RINGS which is pure fantasy and magic, but a mixture of reality and fantasy. What is so magical about the CELL SAGA, the fact that DR. GERO is explaining the fact that he created CELL for single purpose of being his ultimate creation which is the strongest being in the universe. What is so magical about andriods or flying cars, NOTHING. Admit it Rammstein you want Dragonball to be some mystical universe with no logical explaination to what goes on. People getting tired of a fake world with no logic behind, thats why Dragonball mixes elements of reality and fantasy in order to make it believeable, PURE fantasy will not make it believeable.

sounds pretty much what we expected from all the new we have gotten to this point.

Pics or it didn’t happen.